Bao Sanniang replied

541 weeks ago

THIS IS AN OPINION BASED "ROTATION" THAT I USE! If you disagree, that's fine. Post here waht you think I am doing wrong and I shall edit it. This here, I will jot down my "Priority"




Ninjitsu Explanation
Chi - Earth
Ten - Heaven
Jin - Man

You execute the Ninjitsu Ability with Ninjutsu

Fuma Shuriken Ranged physical damage.
- Any one of the Ten, Chi, or Jin mudra
Katon AOE Fire damage
- Chi→Ten or Jin→Ten
Raiton Single target lightning damage. (I use this as a filler if I have no need to buff myself with Huton there's nothing to AOE)
- Ten→Chi or Jin→Chi
Hyoton Single target cold damage. Best for snaring for 15 seconds.
- Ten→Jin or Chi→Jin
Doton Slows enemies. I use it for kiting.
- Ten→Jin→Chi or Jin→Ten→Chi
Suiton Water damage (Lets you use Sneak Attack, Mug, and Trick Attack without Hide )
- Ten→Chi→Jin or Chi→Ten→Jin
Huton Attack speed increase
Jin→Chi→Ten or Chi→Jin→Ten

Rabbit Medium You get this beautiful ability when you mess up your Ninjutsu.



MAKE SURE Kiss of the Wasp or Kiss of the Viper is on at all times!

Pay attention to tooltips! If you're soloing, I found that Kiss of the Viper helps because using Mug will heal you.

Before the pull I do Ninjutsu Huton first. Either right before the pull, or as the tank engages.

Once I reach the target, I do the following.

Spinning Edge - Shadow Fang DoT - Mutilate DoT - Spinning Edge - Gust Slash

From here, I priortize my attacks. If my 2 dots ( Shadow Fang - Mutilate ) are on the target, I do one of 3 attacks.

Dancing Edge for extra damage. Some people consider this a "Dot" but it's just a debuff.
Armor Crush to increase Huton for 30 seconds. (I renew it at 10 seconds)
Aeolian Slash if all dots and debuffs are upare up.

*Most of the time, you will be standing behind the mob / boss.

Some people usually ask "What is considered "BURN BURN" when it comes to ninjas".
Personally, I do the following.

Ninjutsu Suiton to make available Trick Attack and use it (MAKE SURE YOU'RE BEHIND THE TARGET) -Duality - Dream Within a Dream Then if you have enough time, Spinning Edge - Gust Slash - Aeolian Slash even all dots aren't up.

* When you use Trick Attack You give a debuff called Vulnerability Up! It increases the target's damage by 10%. Sometimes, a Ninja will let everyone know when he uses this.

*This about sums up the normal DPS rotation I use.


Here are some cooldown abilites you need to know of.

Kassatsu Used to reset Ninjitsu in an "Oh snap" moment.
Shukuchi Used to get away from things in a blink of an eye.
Shadewalker Used to help tanks gather some threat. AKA, You give them your threat.
Duality Used as a DPS cooldown.
Smoke Screen To get threat off another player (Healers love you for this)



Cross Class Abilities

Before I go into them, note these ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PLAY THE CLASS! They help substancially though.

MONK
Featherfoot Defensive cooldown. Evasion for 12 seconds.
Second Wind Defensive cooldown. Instant heal. Use only when you're critically low.
Haymaker A slow attack for 12 seconds.
Internal Release DPS Cooldown. Critical Strike increase for 15 seconds.
Mantra Defensive cooldown. Increases your incoming heals by 5%.

LANCER
Feint Slow attack for 12 seconds.
Keen Flurry Defensive cooldown. Parry for 20 seconds.
Invigorate Restores TP (MUCH BETTER THAN GOAD IMO. Lol im kidding)
Blood for Blood DPS Cooldown. Increases damage, but increases damage taken. Use with extreme caution.



In the end, my rotation, will look like this.

Buffs: Kiss of the Wasp, Huton

Rotation:
Spinning Edge - Shadow Fang - Mutilate -
Priority
1. Spinning Edge - Gust Slash - Armor Crush
Refresh Huton
2. Spinning Edge - Gust Slash - Dancing Edge
For the debuff
3. Spinning Edge - Gust Slash - Aeolian Slash
Pure damage

Rinse and repeat. When it's getting time to burn the boss / mob

Suiton -Trick Attack - Duality - Dream Within a Dream - Spinning Edge - Gust Slash - Aeolian Slash




last edited 541 weeks ago by Bao Sanniang

Gazih Jahmei replied

541 weeks ago

First - the basic priority rotation you have listed works well. The general consensus is if Shadow Fang has < 4-5 seconds remaining you want to refresh it if you're at the beginning of your rotation. Only refresh Mutilate if it will have < 4-5 seconds remaining after Shadow Fang or Dancing Edge/Aeolian Edge. Only use Dancing Edge if there is no Warrior available to maintain the slashing debuff.

Second - There is no point in using DWaD after Duality. Duality only affects weaponskills. In your burn rotation you will double the damage of Spinning Edge, our weakest weapon skill. The only weaponskill we use Duality with is Aeolian Edge.

Personally, I have 2 different openers/burst rotations I use depending on whether or not a Warrior is present. Since it's 2am and I'm dead tired I'll abbreviate the skill names…

Without a Warrior
- Huton pre-pull, pull 5 seconds into your ninjutsu cooldown
- SE > GS > DE (all this before ninjutsu is ready)
- IR > SE > B4B > SF > Suiton > Mut > X-Pot > SE > Trick > SF > Kassatsu > Mut > Fuma > SE > DWaD > GS > Duality > AE > Mug > SE > Jug

With a Warrior
- Huton pre-pull, pull 5 seconds into your ninjutsu cooldown
- IR > SE > B4B > SF > Suiton > Mut > X-Pot > SE > Trick > SF > Kassatsu > Mut > Fuma > SE > DWaD > GS > Duality > AE > Mug > SE > Jug

- The only real difference is you perform the Aeolian Edge sequence on the pull to ensure the slashing debuff is present when you begin the actual opener rotation.
- Yes, the skills are staggered deliberately. It helps prevent wasted animation locks.
- Whether you use Fuma Shuriken or Raiton as filler during the priority rotation depends on whether or not your have a BRD and/or MCH to supply a magic vulnerability debuff to the boss. No magic debuff, Fuma. The BRD is a champ and has FoeReq up, Raiton. **Worth noting though that emerging theorycraft suggests that with an i200 weapon or higher Raiton may win out as the stronger ninjutsu regardless of debuffs on the target.

Edit: these openers/rotations are good for ~1.3-1.4k dps and sustained right around 1k @ i180, give or take depending on the amount of movement required in a given fight.

Bao Sanniang replied

541 weeks ago

I hear you, but you completely lost me at the abbrevs…

Fuko Ibuki replied

541 weeks ago

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/forums/658/?order=desc&page=1#threads/247323

According to information found in this thread, the only reason to use Fuma Shuriken over Raiton is if you have heavy mudra lag. Raiton will always have a higher potency.

Also wouldn't you want to Trick Attack sooner, so your dots get the extra damage?

Bao Sanniang replied

541 weeks ago

Depends on the situation. That's a situational thing.

Gazih Jahmei replied

541 weeks ago

@Fuko - I wish I could say I don't have to deal with mudra lag, but that would be a lie. If you're not having mudra lag like me, insert Raiton for Fuma Shuriken and you're g2g.

MrHappy's 2.55 stuff worked for me but when 3.0 rolled around and he took ages to update his notes I went about putting together a rotation. I'll get around to looking at his, if it's updated finally, and compare it to what I'm doing.

Gazih Jahmei replied

541 weeks ago

@Bao

SE = Spinning Edge
GS = Gust Slash
AE = Aeolian Edge
DE = Dancing Edge
SF = Shadow Fang
Mut = Mutilate
IR = Internal Release
B4B = Blood for Blood
DWaD = Dream Within a Dream
Jug = Jugulate
X-Pot = X Potion of Dexterity

Hope that helps a bit! =D

Bao Sanniang replied

541 weeks ago

I see waht you do, Gazih… I just do about the same thing… Just a tad differently. I've never found it meaningful to go on peoples streams… and all that to get their optimal build… I jsut do wahts most comfortable to me. I've adjusted greatly, but I prioritize and figure out what I can do where during X Y Z situations.

For the Trick Attack, if all my dots are uip [I'd like them to] I'd initiate it. But if the boss is about to do something crazy, of course I hold off. I never assume the boss / mob will be standing still the whole 10 seconds.

Gazih Jahmei replied

541 weeks ago

@Fuko We had talked about dot clipping and where I got the logic/reasoning behind clipping around the 6-ish second mark. Here's a link to a similar reddit thread (not the original one I found) where the first commenter talks about this subject. Basically it's a wash after about 6 seconds. It's not ideal but it makes everything fit nicely into my rotation.

https://m.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/2nh3x5/ninja_cooldowns_slashing_debuff/
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